The Colorado Democrat Star Chamber!
What is up with all those negative political ads in my mail box?
Is it possible for a small number of very wealthy people to manipulate all the voters of a single state? Can as few as four individuals control all the politics/Voters in the Great State of Colorado?
Saul Alinsky believed and taught some people (the “Haves”) can direct their money to be politically advantaged, while others (the “Have-Nots”) can organize or create the illusion of a greater number of people, creating a populist movement.
Guess what…? Colorado has four “Haves”!
In 2004, or prior, the Colorado Gang of Four (Samuel “Rutt” Bridges, Patricia “Pat” Stryker, Timothy “Tim” Gill and Rep Jared Polis Schultz CO-2) got together to push their political agenda. They put a lot of money into political races to get their democrat friends elected. They got noticed for their political “philanthropy”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Stryker (They are philanthropists just like John Hickenlooper! Scary, Scary, Scary)
Four, more or less, “Progressives” moved politics in Colorado hard to the left. Now emboldened in 2006 they directed more money and used additional tactics (directing their funds to 527 and 501 c 4’s) to destroy opposition candidates. Their minions, like Colorado’s long time liberal pollster/political analyst Floyd Ciruli, present their agenda as the people’s movement, and in 2010 decry the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizens United v FEC (Federal Election Commission) as the reason for an increase in the 527 attack ads (those ads are being fueled by “Karl Rove and Big Corporations”, but there is no proof of that.).
What would happen if a group of “Haves” and some democrat politicians, community organizers and political operatives met for a strategy meeting with 527 and 501 c4 groups? I have found proof, from the 2008/2009/2010 election seasons that a number of the gang of four and some respected Colorado Democrat Politicians are involved with a Colorado Democrat “STRAGETY GROUP & 527 Coordinating Operatives”. http://www.freespeech.com/images/strategygroup.pdf
Looking at the above linked document we see some very interesting information. The names, Rutt Bridges, Tim Gil, Pat Stryker, Andrew Romanoff, Joan Fitz-Gerald, Ken Gordon, Julie Wells, etc. Some of these names are multimillionaires, some are/were at the time elected officials, and others are mostly unknown individuals/political operatives. Let’s look at some of the names who made up the Colorado Democrat strategy group.
Rutt Bridges – one of the “Gang of Four” multimillionaire, Board Chair of Colorado Democracy Alliance (CoDA) remember this group.
Tim Gill – member of the (Gang of Four) multimillionaire, “Money Man” Board Member of CoDA,.
Al Yates – Interim Director of CoDA, Pat Stryker’s (Gang of Four) political advisor. Seeing a trend?
Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber, Schreck et.al. (BHFS) Law Firm Employees - BHFS has been known in Colorado for many years as the home for democrat politicians and progressive lobbyists… (Hey, you are a prominent Dem and just lost your race or are term limited… come work for us; we need your name and influence, i.e. Federico Pena, etc.) Could coordination be going on through this law firm? http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/brownsteinhyattfarberschreck.html
Ted Trimpa – Tim Gill’s (Gang of Four) political advisor and lobbyist at BHFS
Tim Gillmore – Legislative assistant at BHFS
Jennifer Brandenberry – Lobbyist Colorado Trial Lawyers Association
Politicians and Campaign Personnel/Operatives (“OTR” **off the record… are these the illegal actions of CO Dem Campaigns/Independent Expenditure Groups?)
Andrew Romanoff (D) – Speaker of the Colorado House/US Senate candidate “the peoples choice”, Co-Chair of a Colorado 527 – Mainstreet Colorado **OTR
Alice Madden (D) – Majority Leader CO House – Chair Colorado 527 – Mainstreet Colorado **OTR
Joan Fitz-Gerald (D) – CO State Senate President, Chair Colorado 527 – Moving Colorado Forward **OTR
Evan Dreyer – Ritter Campaign Manager **OTR
Union Thugs… There are a bunch SEIU, AFSCME, AFL-CIO, CEA, etc., but I found this one most interesting:
Carolyn Siegel – AFL-CIO Public Relations “educate the idiots” >>> idiots … idiots?, are they referring to us everyday Americans, the regular voters, non union working slobs (or is that scabs)?
There are a number of 527 Groups in Colorado, and a majority of them have one person in common Julie Wells.
Who is Julie Wells? She is the Registered Agent for most of the 527s during the 2008/2009/2010 election seasons, and prior. She is also notorious for a 2001 law suit against the City of Denver. “JULIE N. WELLS; FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION, INC.; THE COLORADO CHAPTER OF THE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION, INC., Plaintiff - Appellant, v. CITY AND COUNTY OF DENVER Defendant” Apparently the Christmas Lighting display at City Hall is an affront to atheists, pagans… etc., and a violation of the establishment clause. http://openjurist.org/257/f3d/1132/julie-wells
Julie, Julie, Julie… You are the registered agent for a number of 527 groups and member of the Colorado Democrat “Strategy Group & 527 Coordinating Operatives”;
Democracy Alliance
Citizens for Colorado
Alliance for a Better Colorado
New West Fellowship
Colorado Voter Project
Too Extreme for Colorado (CD-7 527)
Coloradans for Life
Colorado’s on the Move
Accountability for Colorado IE Committee
(I am sure there are more I just have not found them yet.)
Oh, Julie who are Kevin Paul and Saskia Young-Dehring? (Just asking?)
So why did I notice your Accountability for Colorado IE Committee mail piece attacking my candidate for the Colorado State House? Because, it is filled with misinformation and outright lies… http://bendegrow.com/2010/ironically-named-accountability-for-colorado-dishing-up-vicious-anti-gop-smears-with-teacher-union-money/
Maybe, but your 527 Accountability for Colorado IE Committee, has blanketed the Great State of Colorado with similar ads, and mail pieces, which have been used to attack conservative and unaffiliated candidates. http://coloradoindependent.com/63924/ugly-attack-mailer-battle-moves-to-house-district-34
Julie, aren’t your democrat voters those who are asking all parties to stop the negative campaigning? John Hickenlooper keeps running into the shower with his clothes on and says they are. The voters are so niave. Sadly, My candidate has worked his tail off, while his opponent hasn’t lifted her finger. She has been able to rely on the political machine to do her work. She is even running again as a conservative, when her record in the legislature is nearly the most liberal there. Just like 2008. http://www.coloradostatesman.com/content/99522-opponents-hd-36-join-denouncing-attack-ad
The voters of Colorado should never trust any democrat in Colorado again. While much of my information is historic, I cannot believe that anything has changed in this election cycle. The democrats and “Gang of Four” continue to manipulate the voters of the Great State of Colorado and violate State and Federal election laws.
Saturday, October 30, 2010
Tuesday, October 12, 2010
Gary Marshall or Su for HD36?
Hi, guys.
I just got polled tonight. Well not really, my son a Teamster Union member was the target, but he was not home. So, they asked if another registered voter was available. Of course as one of the precenct co-captians I think that I am an eligible and registered voter and I am totally available for a poll!
Our family is very conservative. The only reason my son is a teamster is because he works for UPS, and Colorado is not a "Right to Work" state. At one time the State Legislature passed a "Right to Work" bill and it was vetoed by then Gov. Roy Romer (D). Bad for Colorado, thank you colorado democrats, even Michigan the Union state is a "Right to Work State" how much political influence do the Unions in Colorado really have?
Back to the poll. It was conducted by "Research Center", which when goolged shows up as a conservative polling group. If you really drill down to the candidates the real pollster appears to be Myers Research & Strategic Services. Who is Myers Research & Strategic Services? From their web site we have the following:
"Myers Research Strategic Services is a full-service public opinion research firm specializing in electing Democrats at all levels and advancing progressive causes. We provide clients with a full range of public opinion research tools as well as on-going message and communications consulting. Since the firm was founded in 2002, we have won more races for Democrats in more states across the nation than any other polling firm, Democrat or Republican."
http://myersresearch.com/MYERS_WEBSITE/whoweare.php
They asked a number of questions:
If your were voting for position today would you vote for Dem or GOP... etc., they covered all of the state wide races then focused on our HD 36 race. They asked if I had knew of the candidates and if I had had any contact with the candidates. We all know that Gary has walked the precincts, and we have signs in our yards. The only contact we have received from Su Ryden are mailers from political interest groups, and 527's (Colorado Alliance for Working Families, Accountibility for Colorado, Friends of Su Ryden, etc.). There are no yard signs that I have seen while driving through the district, and Su has never been to my door.
We who worked hard for Kathy Green saw our yard signs disappear in the last election, and surprisingly they were all replaced by Su signs. It was suspected that temporary labor employed by unions like SEIU were tasked with replacing the GOP signs with Su's. All of the mailers from supporters of Su imply that she is very fiscally conservative and her opponents are all "TOO EXTREME FOR COLORADO". (This is an Alinsky tactic, "demonize and/or ridicule your opponent"). Look at Su's record in the state house and you will see that she is an extreme liberal/progressive. How intouch is that with the center right Colorado voters?
Who is intouch with the Colorado voters, liberal/progressive Ryden or Gary Marshall?
I think Gary is more of what we want in our district and in the state house. Vote for Gary!
DL
Please send this to your family and friends in HD36! Gary will be better for us and the citizens of the state!
I just got polled tonight. Well not really, my son a Teamster Union member was the target, but he was not home. So, they asked if another registered voter was available. Of course as one of the precenct co-captians I think that I am an eligible and registered voter and I am totally available for a poll!
Our family is very conservative. The only reason my son is a teamster is because he works for UPS, and Colorado is not a "Right to Work" state. At one time the State Legislature passed a "Right to Work" bill and it was vetoed by then Gov. Roy Romer (D). Bad for Colorado, thank you colorado democrats, even Michigan the Union state is a "Right to Work State" how much political influence do the Unions in Colorado really have?
Back to the poll. It was conducted by "Research Center", which when goolged shows up as a conservative polling group. If you really drill down to the candidates the real pollster appears to be Myers Research & Strategic Services. Who is Myers Research & Strategic Services? From their web site we have the following:
"Myers Research Strategic Services is a full-service public opinion research firm specializing in electing Democrats at all levels and advancing progressive causes. We provide clients with a full range of public opinion research tools as well as on-going message and communications consulting. Since the firm was founded in 2002, we have won more races for Democrats in more states across the nation than any other polling firm, Democrat or Republican."
http://myersresearch.com/MYERS_WEBSITE/whoweare.php
They asked a number of questions:
If your were voting for position today would you vote for Dem or GOP... etc., they covered all of the state wide races then focused on our HD 36 race. They asked if I had knew of the candidates and if I had had any contact with the candidates. We all know that Gary has walked the precincts, and we have signs in our yards. The only contact we have received from Su Ryden are mailers from political interest groups, and 527's (Colorado Alliance for Working Families, Accountibility for Colorado, Friends of Su Ryden, etc.). There are no yard signs that I have seen while driving through the district, and Su has never been to my door.
We who worked hard for Kathy Green saw our yard signs disappear in the last election, and surprisingly they were all replaced by Su signs. It was suspected that temporary labor employed by unions like SEIU were tasked with replacing the GOP signs with Su's. All of the mailers from supporters of Su imply that she is very fiscally conservative and her opponents are all "TOO EXTREME FOR COLORADO". (This is an Alinsky tactic, "demonize and/or ridicule your opponent"). Look at Su's record in the state house and you will see that she is an extreme liberal/progressive. How intouch is that with the center right Colorado voters?
Who is intouch with the Colorado voters, liberal/progressive Ryden or Gary Marshall?
I think Gary is more of what we want in our district and in the state house. Vote for Gary!
DL
Please send this to your family and friends in HD36! Gary will be better for us and the citizens of the state!
Monday, October 11, 2010
Colorado Governors Race Enters the Alinsky Twilight Zone
“Imagine for a moment if you will… You're travelling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination—next stop, the Twilight Zone!”
Rod Serling
We know that Barack Obama’s former chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel once said, “Never let a crisis go to waste”. It is my belief that some on the left truly understand the crisis to the liberal goal, of a progressive amerika, which is the grassroots teaparty.
We also know that as early as 1969 the concept of “strategic voting under the qualified majority rule” was being considered and developed. The concept is basically this. If you have “Qualified Majority Parties” and you pull enough votes away from one of those parties, they will loose their qualified status. This could effectively diminish the opposition party to the point that they became irrelevant. Traditionally, it has been considered extremely difficult, because different parties with their own agendas cannot garner enough votes from the other qualified majority parties, or build a large enough coalition from the minor parties for this strategy to be effective. http://www.nuffield.ox.ac.uk/economics/papers/2000/w7/qualified.pdf
Saul Alinsky believed and taught some people (the “Haves”) can direct their money to be politically advantaged, while others (the “Have-Nots”) can organize or create the illusion of a greater number of people, creating a populist movement. How interesting would it have been if Alinsky could have built a coalition of “Haves” and “Have-Nots”? He would be able to elect a black man to be President.
Some Alinsky strategies have been tried and include ridiculing or demonizing your opposition, to drive voters away from them. A great example is the ads from “independent” 527s used effectively in Colorado in the 2006 and 2008 elections. Remember the phrase “TOO EXTREME FOR COLORADO”. These ads were effective in costing good candidates their campaigns. They were not only used in statewide national races but also in the regional state and local races. (They are again being used in this election cycle.)
I wonder who paid for those ads in Colorado? Could it be the "Gang of Four"? Patricia (Pat) Stryker, Jared Polis, Tim Gill, and Rutt Bridges are known in Colorado political circles as the "Gang of Four". Significant political contributions from this group in 2006 and 2008 to favored Democratic candidates played a role in electing a Democratic majority in Colorado's house and senate.
The "Gang of Four" are an interesting group. According to New York Times reporter Matt Bai, Stryker attended the April 2005 meeting of the Democracy Alliance. “The Democracy Alliance, founded in 2005, is a partnership of change-makers who seek to strengthen democracy by partnering with, making human and financial investments in, and fostering collaboration among leaders and institutions committed to realizing a vision of a more progressive America.” It has strong ties to union groups, like the astro-turfing Service Employees International Union (SEIU), who bussed in groups of people to Democrat Town hall meetings in the summer of 2009 and more recent events. Democracy Alliance was founded with major funding from Tim Gill and George Soros. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Alliance
It has been suggested that Alinsky’s strategy of infiltration has been used in teaparty groups. http://alinskydefeater.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/infiltration-of-the-tea-party-is-an-alinsky-tactic/
What would happen if an infiltrator became a teaparty candidate? Sneaky Dems Plant Phony Tea Party Candidate in NJ Congressional Race
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/07/sneaky-dems-plant-phony-tea-party.html )
Jumping back into the Twilight Zone of the Colorado’s Governors race… What if a great number of Democrat Infiltrators became first time delegates to the republican state assembly? What if Dan Maes, the populist candidate, was a Democrat Infiltrator, or a group of Democrat “Haves” like our “Gang of Four” saw him as a weaker candidate than the other GOP candidates? Could they have exploited their financial power to see that he won his primary? A 527 known as the Freedom Fund ran a number of negative ads against GOP Candidate Scott McInnis just prior to the state primary. “(Colorado) Secretary of State records list Julie Wells as the registered agent on eight 527 or political committees, all featuring large contributions from philanthropists Pat Stryker of Fort Collins and Tim Gill of Denver.” http://tinyurl.com/27j4o3e (Isn’t Hickenlooper a “philanthropist”?)
Since Dan Maes won the GOP Primary, he has continued to torpedo his own canoe, and by doing so is sinking the Colorado GOP to the bottom of the South Platte. His most recent faux pas seems to be an endorsement of his opponent’s economic plan. “We’ve seen several major Republican businessmen back John Hickenlooper, so I would absolutely trust the Mayor when it comes to the economic health of our state and the business community…”, said Maes. http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2010/10/11/maes-backs-hickenloopers-economic-policies/16133/ If the most important issue in the race is the economy, why would any candidate endorse his opponent’s plan?
Was this the grand old plan of the progressives? Infiltrate the Republican Party to insure their guy (Hick) wins. (possibly) How about a bigger more risky step to create a situation where the party self destructs and loses its “Qualified Majority” Status. Could the “vast left wing” conspirators be that clever? (I think not.) It is interesting to see that if you can put up a bad enough candidate you can force party loyalists to demand that voters put the interest of the party’s “Qualified Majority” status over the party’s own principles.
In the end, for principled Colorado conservatives there is only one choice for Governor. That choice is Tancredo. The long term damage from four more years of the progressive agenda is too great for the people of the Great State of Colorado.
DL
Rod Serling
We know that Barack Obama’s former chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel once said, “Never let a crisis go to waste”. It is my belief that some on the left truly understand the crisis to the liberal goal, of a progressive amerika, which is the grassroots teaparty.
We also know that as early as 1969 the concept of “strategic voting under the qualified majority rule” was being considered and developed. The concept is basically this. If you have “Qualified Majority Parties” and you pull enough votes away from one of those parties, they will loose their qualified status. This could effectively diminish the opposition party to the point that they became irrelevant. Traditionally, it has been considered extremely difficult, because different parties with their own agendas cannot garner enough votes from the other qualified majority parties, or build a large enough coalition from the minor parties for this strategy to be effective. http://www.nuffield.ox.ac.uk/economics/papers/2000/w7/qualified.pdf
Saul Alinsky believed and taught some people (the “Haves”) can direct their money to be politically advantaged, while others (the “Have-Nots”) can organize or create the illusion of a greater number of people, creating a populist movement. How interesting would it have been if Alinsky could have built a coalition of “Haves” and “Have-Nots”? He would be able to elect a black man to be President.
Some Alinsky strategies have been tried and include ridiculing or demonizing your opposition, to drive voters away from them. A great example is the ads from “independent” 527s used effectively in Colorado in the 2006 and 2008 elections. Remember the phrase “TOO EXTREME FOR COLORADO”. These ads were effective in costing good candidates their campaigns. They were not only used in statewide national races but also in the regional state and local races. (They are again being used in this election cycle.)
I wonder who paid for those ads in Colorado? Could it be the "Gang of Four"? Patricia (Pat) Stryker, Jared Polis, Tim Gill, and Rutt Bridges are known in Colorado political circles as the "Gang of Four". Significant political contributions from this group in 2006 and 2008 to favored Democratic candidates played a role in electing a Democratic majority in Colorado's house and senate.
The "Gang of Four" are an interesting group. According to New York Times reporter Matt Bai, Stryker attended the April 2005 meeting of the Democracy Alliance. “The Democracy Alliance, founded in 2005, is a partnership of change-makers who seek to strengthen democracy by partnering with, making human and financial investments in, and fostering collaboration among leaders and institutions committed to realizing a vision of a more progressive America.” It has strong ties to union groups, like the astro-turfing Service Employees International Union (SEIU), who bussed in groups of people to Democrat Town hall meetings in the summer of 2009 and more recent events. Democracy Alliance was founded with major funding from Tim Gill and George Soros. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Alliance
It has been suggested that Alinsky’s strategy of infiltration has been used in teaparty groups. http://alinskydefeater.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/infiltration-of-the-tea-party-is-an-alinsky-tactic/
What would happen if an infiltrator became a teaparty candidate? Sneaky Dems Plant Phony Tea Party Candidate in NJ Congressional Race
http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/07/sneaky-dems-plant-phony-tea-party.html )
Jumping back into the Twilight Zone of the Colorado’s Governors race… What if a great number of Democrat Infiltrators became first time delegates to the republican state assembly? What if Dan Maes, the populist candidate, was a Democrat Infiltrator, or a group of Democrat “Haves” like our “Gang of Four” saw him as a weaker candidate than the other GOP candidates? Could they have exploited their financial power to see that he won his primary? A 527 known as the Freedom Fund ran a number of negative ads against GOP Candidate Scott McInnis just prior to the state primary. “(Colorado) Secretary of State records list Julie Wells as the registered agent on eight 527 or political committees, all featuring large contributions from philanthropists Pat Stryker of Fort Collins and Tim Gill of Denver.” http://tinyurl.com/27j4o3e (Isn’t Hickenlooper a “philanthropist”?)
Since Dan Maes won the GOP Primary, he has continued to torpedo his own canoe, and by doing so is sinking the Colorado GOP to the bottom of the South Platte. His most recent faux pas seems to be an endorsement of his opponent’s economic plan. “We’ve seen several major Republican businessmen back John Hickenlooper, so I would absolutely trust the Mayor when it comes to the economic health of our state and the business community…”, said Maes. http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2010/10/11/maes-backs-hickenloopers-economic-policies/16133/ If the most important issue in the race is the economy, why would any candidate endorse his opponent’s plan?
Was this the grand old plan of the progressives? Infiltrate the Republican Party to insure their guy (Hick) wins. (possibly) How about a bigger more risky step to create a situation where the party self destructs and loses its “Qualified Majority” Status. Could the “vast left wing” conspirators be that clever? (I think not.) It is interesting to see that if you can put up a bad enough candidate you can force party loyalists to demand that voters put the interest of the party’s “Qualified Majority” status over the party’s own principles.
In the end, for principled Colorado conservatives there is only one choice for Governor. That choice is Tancredo. The long term damage from four more years of the progressive agenda is too great for the people of the Great State of Colorado.
DL
Tuesday, October 5, 2010
Garmin is Misleading the Enviro-Lemmings with Bad Science
So this is the story. My sons bought me a GPS for Father’s day. I did my research and finally picked out a Garmin Nuvi a couple of weeks ago. It is really a pretty cool toy! The Nuvi has an awesome EcoChallenge feature, which tracks mileage, fuel economy, trip efficiency, etc. The user inputs the fuel economy averages for city and highway driving, their fuel cost and the Nuvi calculates the rest. One of the included features is the users Carbon Footprint Estimate. However, according to my calculations their software is flawed resulting in an errant Carbon Footprint Estimate.
I am including my exchange with Garmin Support.
Dear Garmin,
How is the carbon footprint calculated by my Nuvi? I don't think it is at all accurate.
Dear Don,
Thank you for contacting Garmin International. I am happy to assist you.
When you enter your car information and fuel information. It will track how fast you drive and so on and use a its [sic] program to get you a good idea of what your footprint might be. It is only a [sic] idea it will not be 100%. it [sic] is made to help you try to do a few thing different like keep at a good speed and thing [sic] like that.
Please let me know if I can help further.
With Best Regards,
Dustin P.
Product Support Specialist
Dear Garmin,
Thank you, I understand the concept. My question is more correctly this, how does the EcoChallenge software make the calculation? The reason I ask is when dealing with matter, volume, and mass you cannot increase the mass of a substance. (Didn’t we learn this at some point in our middle school science class at the public school?)
For instance in my situation I used 13.8 gallons of gasoline the weight of that amount of fuel is just under 85 lbs. If the gasoline was made up of only carbon molecules, then my maximum carbon emissions could only weigh just under 85 lbs. (We know that fuel has many molecular elements which make up the chemical we know as gasoline, so the carbon mass of the emissions is much smaller.) The volume of the fuel as a liquid will be smaller than the volume of the same fuel as a gas (vapor) having less density, resulting in fewer molecules of carbon per cubic centimeter, however the mass will not have changed. The calculation from my Nuvi suggests my carbon footprint is nearly three times that amount at 249 lbs. Garmin’s EcoChallenge software is flawed providing misleading results. If we want to be serious and clear about the "Global Warming – Climate Change" debate we should ensure that we are using accurate science with valid results. A small deviation of even 10 percent in accuracy would be more tolerable than a 300 percent error.
Dear Don,
Thank you for contacting Garmin International. I will be happy to help you with this.
Unfortunately the information you are requesting is proprietary information. Our engineering team does not release the specifics of how our products work.
If there is anything else I can help you with feel free to email me back.
With Best Regards,
Anthony G.
Product Support Specialist
Dear Garmin,
I still love my Nuvi. I like that it calculates my gas mileage for every tank of gas, but I don’t trust your EcoChallenge Carbon Footprint Estimate. I will say again, “If we want to be serious and clear about the "Global Warming – Climate Change" debate we should ensure that we are using accurate science…” Not just fear mongering.
I am not an Enviro-Lemming.
DL
I am including my exchange with Garmin Support.
Dear Garmin,
How is the carbon footprint calculated by my Nuvi? I don't think it is at all accurate.
Dear Don,
Thank you for contacting Garmin International. I am happy to assist you.
When you enter your car information and fuel information. It will track how fast you drive and so on and use a its [sic] program to get you a good idea of what your footprint might be. It is only a [sic] idea it will not be 100%. it [sic] is made to help you try to do a few thing different like keep at a good speed and thing [sic] like that.
Please let me know if I can help further.
With Best Regards,
Dustin P.
Product Support Specialist
Dear Garmin,
Thank you, I understand the concept. My question is more correctly this, how does the EcoChallenge software make the calculation? The reason I ask is when dealing with matter, volume, and mass you cannot increase the mass of a substance. (Didn’t we learn this at some point in our middle school science class at the public school?)
For instance in my situation I used 13.8 gallons of gasoline the weight of that amount of fuel is just under 85 lbs. If the gasoline was made up of only carbon molecules, then my maximum carbon emissions could only weigh just under 85 lbs. (We know that fuel has many molecular elements which make up the chemical we know as gasoline, so the carbon mass of the emissions is much smaller.) The volume of the fuel as a liquid will be smaller than the volume of the same fuel as a gas (vapor) having less density, resulting in fewer molecules of carbon per cubic centimeter, however the mass will not have changed. The calculation from my Nuvi suggests my carbon footprint is nearly three times that amount at 249 lbs. Garmin’s EcoChallenge software is flawed providing misleading results. If we want to be serious and clear about the "Global Warming – Climate Change" debate we should ensure that we are using accurate science with valid results. A small deviation of even 10 percent in accuracy would be more tolerable than a 300 percent error.
Dear Don,
Thank you for contacting Garmin International. I will be happy to help you with this.
Unfortunately the information you are requesting is proprietary information. Our engineering team does not release the specifics of how our products work.
If there is anything else I can help you with feel free to email me back.
With Best Regards,
Anthony G.
Product Support Specialist
Dear Garmin,
I still love my Nuvi. I like that it calculates my gas mileage for every tank of gas, but I don’t trust your EcoChallenge Carbon Footprint Estimate. I will say again, “If we want to be serious and clear about the "Global Warming – Climate Change" debate we should ensure that we are using accurate science…” Not just fear mongering.
I am not an Enviro-Lemming.
DL
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